AI, IP, and the Copyright Clash, with Kimberley Odums of IEEE
December 1, 2025
How can AI shape AND be shaped by the law? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe welcome Kimberley Odums, Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and AI at IEEE and founder of Lawyers Learn AI, to explore the intersection of legal innovation and artificial intelligence through a futuristic lens. Tune in to discover why over 250 copyright cases are reshaping AI development and what strategies lawyers need to stay ahead of rapidly evolving AI regulations. This conversation offers practical insights into the legal battles defining the future of AI and the legal profession.
How can AI shape AND be shaped by the law? In this episode of Meeting of the Minds – The Legal AI Podcast, hosts Hal Marcus and Memme Onwudiwe welcome Kimberley Odums, Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and AI at IEEE and founder of Lawyers Learn AI, to explore the intersection of legal innovation and artificial intelligence through a futuristic lens.
What You'll Learn:
- How to position yourself as a Legal AI expert on your team by staying informed on critical AI developments
- Why the New York Times v. OpenAI case matters beyond just the case of publishing
- Why the $1.5 billion Anthropic settlement is an important precedent
- How to build confidence in AI tools through closed-environment systems leveraging Retrieval-Augmented Generation (RAG)
- Why pro se litigants are winning cases using AI platforms for $20/month and the impact of this on access to justice
- The critical distinction between human authorship and AI generation in copyright law
About the Guest
Kimberley Odums is Senior Counsel of Intellectual Property and Artificial Intelligence at the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) and founder of the newsletter community Lawyers Learn AI. With a background spanning big law, nonprofit work and solo practice in trademark and brand protection, Kimberley has become a leading voice in the intersection of legal policy and AI development. Her work bridging the legal and tech communities makes her a leading voice in the rapidly evolving landscape of AI regulation and implementation.
Episode Resources
- Kimberley Odums on LinkedIn
- IEEE Website
- Memme Onwudiwe on LinkedIn
- Hal Marcus on LinkedIn
- Evisort Website
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