The Small Business Black Holes with Alan Pentz
From Life Support to Long-Term Success: The Small Business Financial Journey with Simple Numbers
April 22, 2025
In this episode of Small Business Black Holes, host Alan Pentz sits down with Mike Maxson and Brandon Gray from Simple Numbers, a renowned financial advisory firm, to explore the three stages of business growth, why owner independence requires more than just systems, and what current economic trends mean for small businesses. Whether you're struggling with capital constraints, management challenges, or uncertain market conditions, this conversation delivers practical insights on right-sizing your business and building sustainable growth. Tune in to learn why managing a bank account balance alone could be holding your company back.
In this episode of Small Business Black Holes podcast, host Alan Pentz sits down with Mike Maxson and Brandon Gray from Simple Numbers, a renowned financial advisory firm, to explore how businesses evolve through different growth stages and the critical financial indicators that determine success or stagnation.

What You'll Learn:

In this episode, Mike Maxson and Brandon Gray share valuable perspectives on business growth stages, common financial pitfalls, and the crucial balance between owner independence and operational control. Their expertise in helping companies navigate growth challenges from $2 million to $10 million in revenue makes this conversation particularly relevant for small business owners seeking to understand the financial and operational requirements for sustainable growth.

Highlights:
[12:45] The Three Stages of Business Financial Health
[24:15] The Danger of Premature Owner Independence  
[35:15] The Current "Energy Drink Economy" 
[39:20] Managing Growth Through Labor and Price Dynamics

Episode Resources:
Alan Pentz on LinkedIn
Brandon Gray on LinkedIn
Mike Maxson on LinkedIn
Simple Numbers website
Owner Institute website