Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast: Stories of Courage, Leadership, and Resilience
In this compilation from The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast, host Ryan Keys brings together powerful stories from across generations of naval aviators. From WWII night operations to modern SAR missions, these accounts reveal the decision-making, sacrifice, and resilience that define naval aviation's finest traditions.
This special compilation episode of The Naval Aviation Ready Room Podcast weaves together extraordinary firsthand accounts from multiple generations of naval aviators, each offering unique insights into the human dimensions of military aviation. Host Ryan Keys curates these stories to highlight common threads of leadership, split-second decision-making, and the profound impact of critical moments on aviators' lives and careers.
The episode features diverse experiences spanning eight decades of naval aviation: from WWII Black Cat night raids over the Pacific to the tragedy of 9/11, from POW survival in Vietnam to modern Coast Guard rescue operations. Each story illuminates different facets of the aviator experience—the weight of command decisions, the importance of training and communication, the role of faith and purpose, and the lasting impact of both triumph and tragedy.
Listeners hear from veterans like Cash Barber describing deadly nighttime strikes against Japanese shipping, Hunter Scott recounting his sixth-grade investigation into the USS Indianapolis that led to national advocacy, Commander Michael Ross explaining how he protected his crew by refusing an unwarranted mission, and Steve Scheibner reflecting on being scheduled for American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11, 2001. POW Charlie Plumb shares how communication and leadership sustained prisoners through years of captivity, while Captain Tim Kinsella demonstrates leadership under the most unthinkable circumstances during the NAS Pensacola shooting.
What You'll Learn:
- How a sixth-grader's history project led to exoneration of a WWII captain and national legislation
- The critical importance of warranted risk assessment in SAR operations
- How POW tap codes and leadership sustained prisoners through years of captivity
- The psychological impact of surviving while others perished, and finding purpose in survival
- How early radar technology transformed WWII night operations in the Pacific
- The role of psychological resilience in preparing young warriors for decentralized operations
- Why split-second decisions during active shooter situations require deliberate calm
- How ejection decisions and survival training combine during combat emergencies
- The enduring value of preserving and sharing these stories across generations
Featured Voices:
Hunter Scott - As a sixth-grader in Pensacola, he chose the USS Indianapolis as his National History Day topic after watching Jaws with his father. His research uncovered how the Navy timed the announcement of the greatest sea disaster in naval history to coincide with VJ Day, ensuring headlines about Japan's surrender overshadowed the loss of 880 men. His project grew into a national campaign that led to the exoneration of Captain Charles McVay.
Commander Michael Ross - Coast Guard aircraft commander who made the difficult decision to refuse a body recovery mission on Mount Ballyhoo that posed unwarranted risk to his crew. Despite his rescue swimmer's willingness to execute a vertical surface deployment to recover teenage victims, Ross recognized the gain didn't justify the risk, giving command the decision space to find a suitable civilian alternative.
Captain Charlie Plumb - Navy pilot shot down over Vietnam who spent years as a POW. He shares how Bob Shoemaker passed a wire across a storeroom and taught him the tap code, introducing him to what Shoemaker called "the finest team you'll ever play on." The exceptional leadership of Stockdale, Denton, and McCain gave purpose and sustained survival in brutal captivity.
Steve Scheibner - American Airlines pilot scheduled to fly Flight 11 on September 11, 2001, who was removed from the flight at the last moment. He reflects on the indescribable emotions of survival—"there's just an empty space where a feeling should be"—and the obligation that comes with being "left behind" to live every day with purpose on borrowed time.
Dr. John Albano - Military medical researcher and program manager at the Mitchell Center who pivoted from long-term academic research to operationally-focused studies on resilience. Recognizing that future warriors in distributed maritime operations will need psychological preparation, he asks critical questions about whether resilience comes from genes, community, or can be trained after adolescence.
Captain Sterling Gilliam - Landing Signal Officer who witnessed a tragic A-3 barricade failure on January 25, 1987, off the coast of Syria, losing seven crew members. This defining moment drove him to become a subject matter expert in all aspects of carrier aviation—from C-13 catapults to Mark 7 arresting gear—making him a better leader and pilot.
Captain Tim Kinsella - Naval Air Station Pensacola Commanding Officer who responded to an active shooter situation at 6:37 AM on December 6, 2019. He shares how taking 45 seconds to shave with his safety razor allowed him to slow down, think clearly, and make the right command decisions rather than rushing to the scene and becoming a distraction to his security team.
Dave Lorenzo - Navy F-8 Crusader pilot shot down on his 98th mission over Laos on January 9, 1968. His decision to head west toward Thailand rather than east toward the South China Sea, combined with maintaining altitude to 12,000 feet before ejecting, likely saved his life by avoiding capture in the area he had just bombed and giving him crucial time in the parachute straps.
Cash Barber - WWII Black Cat squadron veteran whose PBY Catalina crews flew night missions using early radar to detect ships 75 miles away. They would home in on the beautiful luminous wakes, report enemy positions, then execute gliding bomb attacks. His squadron was credited with sinking over 100,000 tons of enemy shipping at night without losing a single aircrew.
Highlights and YouTube Chapters:
- [00:00] Introduction
- [00:02:06] Hunter Scott: USS Indianapolis Investigation Begins
- [00:08:35] Commander Michael Ross: Refusing Unwarranted Risk
- [00:14:48] Captain Charlie Plumb: POW Survival and Leadership
- [00:22:48] Steve Scheibner: Flight 11 and Living on Borrowed Time
- [00:29:18] Dr. John Albano: Building Resilience in Future Warriors
- [00:34:19] Captain Sterling Gilliam: The 1987 A-3 Barricade Tragedy
- [00:39:19] Captain Tim Kinsella: 45 Seconds to Slow Down
- [00:47:44] Dave Lorenzo: Ejection Over Laos
- [00:51:44] Cash Barber: Black Cat Night Operations
- [00:54:44] Episode Conclusion and Museum Resources