(This episode was recorded during the US outbreak of COVID-19.) Larry is back with skier and cycling camp coach, Chip Chilson. Chip and Larry discuss the ways that you can get out of the “pain cave” and overcome the challenges you will encounter during personal and physical growth. Chip gives his insights on coaching and shares a few of his methods for helping others push past their preconceived notions of what is possible, and how he helps them to stay on track. This episode is packed with priceless advice from the experts so don’t miss out! TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: [1:19] The Leadville Trail 100. [8:10] Using a buddy system. [13:35] The pain cave. [18:38] Scheduling and keeping on track.