(This episode was recorded during the US outbreak of COVID-19.) Larry is speaking again with diversified creator and leader, Mark Harvey. Mark and Larry continue their previous discussions by going over their non-negotiables both in their work and personal lives. Mark shares how he has worked to create an environment that gives those around him every possible chance to succeed, and why he never focuses on getting the credit as a leader—even though he will end up with the blame. You don’t just get back on the horse if you keep getting thrown off, you ask yourself why you were thrown off to begin with. Listen in and learn how Matt handles “being thrown off the horse” and the value in taking the time to find the root of the problem before starting again. TIME-STAMPED SHOW NOTES: [2:44] Mark on respecting others and yourself. [8:55] Don’t focus on getting the credit. [11:07] Larry’s “make or break” rule.