Shadow AI and Smart Risk: Navigating Enterprise Innovation with Lianne Appelt of Salesforce
May 28, 2025
We’re coming to you LIVE from Riskworld 2025! Join Jason Reichl on Risk Management: Brick by Brick as he sits down with Lianne Appelt, Enterprise Risk Management Lead at Salesforce, to discuss the hidden world of 'Shadow AI' and how it's transforming enterprise risk management. Learn how Salesforce balances AI innovation with security through risk-specific appetite frameworks, internal protected tools, and strategic governance approaches. Don't miss this essential discussion on managing the AI revolution while protecting your organization!
We’re coming to you LIVE from Riskworld 2025! In this episode of Brick by Brick, Jason Reichl sits down with Lianne Appelt, Enterprise Risk Management lead at Salesforce, to explore the hidden world of 'Shadow AI' - the unauthorized AI tools employees use that put companies at risk. Lianne shares her journey from traditional tech companies like Oracle and PayPal to leading enterprise risk at one of the world's largest SaaS platforms.
Discover how Salesforce tackles the challenge of enabling AI innovation while maintaining security through internal protected tools, comprehensive governance frameworks, and strategic risk appetite management. Learn how shadow AI falls under cybersecurity, why avoiding AI altogether is itself a major risk, and what businesses must do to balance innovation with protection in an era of rapid AI transformation.
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Podcast Host: Jason Reichl
Executive Producer: Don Halliwell
Episode Highlights:
- 00:00 - Intro: Managing Risk in the Age of AI
- 00:51 - Meet Lianne Appelt: Enterprise Risk Management at Salesforce
- 02:04 - Developing Risk-Specific Appetite Frameworks
- 03:06 - Understanding and Managing Shadow AI Risks
- 05:22 - AI Risk as a Subset of Cybersecurity
- 08:54 - Balancing Customer AI Integration and Security
- 11:04 - The Risks of Not Adopting AI in Tech
- 12:21 - Playing "Risky or Too Risky": Real-World Scenarios
- 13:25 - Managing Risk During Company Acquisitions
- 14:48 - Building the Plane While Flying: AI Implementation
- 16:06 - Outro: Key Takeaways on AI Risk Management
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- Managing Your Risk Portfolio with Seth Hausman
- Focusing on Specialization with Matthew Meyer
- Risk Management is Everywhere with Diana Rich
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