Why LEGO belongs in market research with Garret Westlake
January 27, 2026
Market research often rewards speed, confidence, and verbal fluency. That leaves insight behind.
In this episode of The Curiosity Current, Molly is joined by Garret Westlake, Vice Provost for Innovation and Strategic Design at Virginia Commonwealth University, with special guest co-host Katie Bernal, Senior Director of Learning and Enablement at aytm. Garret explains how LEGO SERIOUS PLAY can be used as a legitimate market research methodology, why embodied and visual thinking matter, and how serious play creates space for insight from people who do not thrive in verbal-first research settings. The conversation explores inclusion, storytelling, innovation, and how AI can support creative sense-making without replacing human judgment.
In this episode of The Curiosity Current, Molly and guest co-host Katie Bernal sit down with Garret Westlake to explore how LEGO SERIOUS PLAY can be used to conduct market research that captures deeper and more inclusive insight. Garret shares how his experience as a neurodivergent learner shaped his view that many research and learning environments reward certain voices while unintentionally pushing others to the margins. Drawing from his work across higher education, innovation consulting, and organizational research, Garret explains how traditional market research often favors speed, verbal confidence, and quick responses. Those conditions can exclude participants who need time to reflect or who think more visually and physically. LEGO SERIOUS PLAY shifts that dynamic by giving everyone space to think, build, and express meaning through metaphor before speaking. The conversation shows how serious play creates psychological safety by removing the pressure to deliver the right answer. Abstract building makes difference visible and expected. That openness allows participants to share insights they might otherwise hold back. Garret also discusses how vivid metaphors built with LEGO bricks have helped teams surface hidden friction in customer journeys and reframe problems in ways leadership could finally see and act on. The episode closes with a reflection on innovation, play, and the role of AI in supporting human sense-making rather than replacing it.
What You’ll Learn:
- How LEGO SERIOUS PLAY works as a market research methodology
- Why embodied and visual thinking surface insight surveys miss
- How serious play creates more inclusive research environments
- Why removing “right answers” improves insight quality
- How metaphors help stakeholders see problems clearly
- The difference between optimizing research and innovating through it
- How AI can support creative sense-making without replacing judgment
- Why storytelling matters in insight communication
- Remembering the “why” behind research
- How curiosity drives better research outcomes
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Episode Resources:
- Garret Westlake on LinkedIn
- Virginia Commonwealth University Website
- Katie Bernal on LinkedIn
- Molly Strawn-Carreño on LinkedIn
- The Curiosity Current: A Market Research Podcast on Apple Podcasts
- The Curiosity Current: A Market Research Podcast on Spotify
- The Curiosity Current: A Market Research Podcast on YouTube
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